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that wraps up this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. coming up right now with a whole lot more news, hallie jackson. >> a whole lot more indeed. thank you. we start with breaking 2020 campaign news as we come on the air. joe biden picking up a key endorsement in south carolina. hoping to take the backing of congressman james clyburn to the bank in the palmetto primary. all the candidates are up early and so are our reporters going i inside the campaigns. what we're learning about the last minute pitches to voters who is mapping out a plan for beyond super tuesday and how bernie sanders is feeling this morning after feeling the heat in tense debate. >> bernie in fact hasn't passed much of anything.
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>> bernie will lose to donald trump. >> do something for the people of america instead of a bunch of broken promises that sound good on bumper stickers. >> i'm hearing my name mentioned a little bit tonight. i wonder why. >> our road warriors are here covering it all and expert analysis on what's next for the democratic field. we are watching wall street. take a look at the big board. right now the market's i think are up a little bit. the dow up 220 right now after plummeting some 2,000 points in two days. that's all thanks or no thanks we should say to the coronavirus as president trump gets back home here to washington. and back in front of the cameras later today for what he's calling a news conference with cdc officials. we have a lot to get to this morning so let's get to the nbc news team. let's start in south carolina with our road warriors, mike memoli, shaquille brewster, josh lederman. a lot riding on the biden campaign in south carolina and
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they picked up the endorsement they have been looking for from congressman clyburn. something that could be pretty influential. >> yeah, absolutely, hallie. think of the way that joe biden described iowa and new hampshire, they were gut punches he said. since then they've been trying to sustain that momentum to try to carry him to the victory here and on to super tuesday. well, they have a good one-two punch in the good debate performance widely viewed as one of the best of the entire campaign and the endorsement from congressman clyburn. it's a big endorsement here in south glenn. he's really the democratic party in south carolina. we don't know if it's a game changer because jim clyburn said he always knew who he'd vote for but a question of whether he'd make it public. let's listen to clyburn. >> i want the public to know i'm
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voting for joe biden. south carolinians should be voting for joe biden. i can think of no one better prepared. i can think of no one with the integrity. no one more committed than the fundamental -- to the fundamental principles to make this country what it is. >> today people are talking about a revolution. but the country -- what the country is looking for is results. what they're looking for is security. >> so you see there a preview of potentially the message from biden. not just here in south carolina's closing days but on to super tuesday. he said south carolina picks the
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white house. it sent bill clinton to the white house and barack obama to the white house. >> unless the thing that stops him might be bernie sanders because that's what bernie sanders is hoping to do. he had a target on his back last night but he's looking ahead not only to saturday and south carolina but to super tuesday three days later. >> right. they feel strong and feel like they near a good position right now. they feel like -- nothing fundamentally changed last night when you look at this race. senator sanders said after when you win the first three contests he's pointing to the popular vote there in iowa of course but when you win the first three contests in iowa you'll have the other candidates going after that that's what we saw last night. 33 attacks according to our nbc news debate tracker that he received last night. that was nearly double that of any other candidate on the statement. it was a little bit of everything. it was his record on guns for example from biden and bloomberg
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and saying that -- other candidates were saying he'd hurt the other democrats, coming from pete buttigieg. and even elizabeth warren engamed in some of those attacks. there was the funny moment where me engaged with somebody in the audience as they booed or jeered during some of his interaction. the campaign feels good. they raised $1.3 million in a couple of hours of the debate and afterwards. they're going around focusing not only on south carolina, but north carolina and virginia. they feel like they're in a good position. >> we're looking, by the way, on the left side of the screen senator sanders speaking at the national action network breakfast happening in charleston as we speak. you have mike bloomberg's campaign and josh, the consensus seems to be from experts who watched it that maybe he did better than our debate last week, but not enough to get him over the finish line. how is the campaign feeling? >> well, they're feeling pretty good, hallie, because there's been a wizard of oz element
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where he spent half a billion dollars on the airwaves to create the aura as a get it done, competent democrat but people want to see the man behind the curtain and the campaign feels like he did a lot last night to show he's a real person and to answer the questions. present himself alongside all of the other candidates. really driving the case on an issue on the minds of a lot of voters which is coronavirus. as well as to not be quite as dismissive about the questions about ndas and stop and frisk. and that's given him more running room to focus on the tuesday states and focus on north carolina and statistic. when it comes to saturday, michael bloomberg is not here on the ballot. >> that is true. thanks to all of you as you continue your inside reporting. i want to bring some south
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carolina ground game experts though. the south carolina political director for the obama 2008 campaign. and a deputy political director for the '08 obama campaign. thanks to both of you for being on. the reaction to the news just happening in the last couple of minutes, the endorsement of clie burn for joe biden. you know joe, he knows us. how much of a game changer or a locker downer could that be for the vice president? >> well, i think joe biden did himself a lot of good last night in the debate but today's endorsement from jim clyburn will send a very strong message to so many people that biden is the choice for a lot of african-americans in south carolina. so i think this endorsement is going to do great for him. it gives him more time to talk
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about it and shore up the base that he's lost to tom steyer. i think we see that clyburn gave a full throated endorsement of joe biden and let's see how joe biden plays this across the state for the next few days as we move closer to this primary. >> the former vice president than pretty clear in saying i'm going to win. if he does not win is this a case where he has to come in number one or he's done? >> yeah. so i think that's the case. if -- i think he can win no matter what. but the question is what's the margin going to be? if he doesn't win by sizeable margin in south carolina, that's going to keep his campaign on life support going into super tuesday and that's difficult for anybody to see and understand. i really do think he's got to win by more than five or six points got to be at least 15 points for him to have some momentum into the super tuesday states. i think the second place finish in nevada will help him, but i think clyburn will help him more than anything else and the voters of south carolina is
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going to be a unique entity in this whole early primary process. this is the first time where 1 million nonwhite registered voters will have a chance to cast a ballot which is the most diverse constituency and the largest constituency that we have seen in the primaries. i think this will send a strong signal about what's going to happen on super tuesday and what will happen beyond this point. >> one of your takeaways over the last 18 hours is biden holding on to the lead in south carolina and you talk about how the democrats lose when there are public food fights. you say that pete buttigieg had some of the most compelling responses to questions related to race. i wanted to ask you about that. i know the mayor is speaking as well at the national action network breakfast this morning. what do you mean by your thoughts that he had the most compelling responses on race? it's an area that he's not always performed well in the eyes of many black voters? >> yeah, i think he has spoken eloquently about issues of race.
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for example, last night when mayor bloomberg was challenged on stop and frisk, i thought pete buttigieg gave a compelling response, look, there are none of us that are people of color. none of us understand and appreciate what it is like to be an african-american young man who is harassed and humiliated and dehumanized by the police. none of us understand what it is to be a person of color. however, he has a douglas plan that emphasizes empowering people of color and making sure that we are reducing the prison population by 50% over the next ten years. also ensuring that there's quality education in the african-american community. and that there is healthequity, a theme that runs through all of the agencies in his administration. i thought he did a great job whereas i think bloomberg did a terrible job if pivoting to what his criminal justice plan is or what his economic justice plan
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is. he has to do better even if he has the money to say in the race. all the way through to the convention. he's got to do better about seeming authentic in his apology and then pivoting to policies that are going to be effective for people of color. i want to say one last thing that i'm so honored to be on this dias with my friend and former boss antawn. everyone buy his book. >> i'll let that stand. a week from today we can wake up we'll wake up after super tuesday. it is possible that bernie sanders will have amassed a lot of delegates. if he does well, we could be looking at a different landscape. i want to ask you both here, is there anything -- have you seen anything so far that shows you there are other candidates who can blunt his momentum right now? do you think a win by joe biden in south carolina can do that? antawn, i'll start with you.
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>> yeah, so i think a win by joe biden if it's over 15 points it will slow bernie down some. >> not just a win, but a big win. you're talking a significant win. >> yeah. i'm talking a significant win and i'm also talking about what is the ground game on super tuesday? so it's not just about debates or winning simple elections but what do you have in the resources to help you win beyond this point. if joe biden can get a big win on saturday it will give him some momentum and hopefully he can build a ground game and he needs big success in order to have a chance at a nomination. >> elena, what say you? >> i say that warren is trying really hard to build a ground game to try to blunt -- blunt bernie's delegate count. we are still waiting to see if she -- if that path can come to fruition. however, i'm actually saying that right now bloomberg is going to be in this race and he's going to get delegates
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because he is in every single media market. he's pushing into the attention of the electorate. and so i'm hoping that we have a ground game amongst the candidates to actually pull back from just what is going on in the media. >> i should tell you as we're having this conversation, house speaker nancy pelosi was asked about the 2020 race by her team and the producer said whoever the nominee is we will enthusiastically embrace that person and we'll win the white house. the word from the speaker of the house this morning. african-american voters are expected to cast two-third of the ballots in the south carolina primary. we're talking to some of the voters on whether their minds were changed later in the show. but first, you have president trump set to address coronavirus in a news conference later on tonight. as a u.s. service member is diagnosed overseas. we're in south korea live after the break. when you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more.
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this is shameful. it puts forth a proposal that's meager, anemic. what he's doing is late -- too late. anemic. hopefully which can make up for the loss of time. >> that of course is house speaker nancy pelosi who just moments ago criticizing the white house's response to the coronavirus. you're also looking at the left side of your screen right now. round two for health secretary alex azar being questioned right now by a congressman. this is a preplanned house hearing right as the coronavirus and the plans to fight it take center statement. you have chuck schumer calling for 8. -- $8.5 billion in coronavirus funding after the white house asked for $2.5 billion and the cdc warning an outbreak in the u.s. is a matter of time.
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most cases of coronavirus about 80% are mild. medical experts say it spreads like through flu and early symptoms are a fever and a dry cough. you can actually pass it on before showing symptoms. it's important to note, the president himself is downplaying the warnings of a widespread outbreak here in the u.s., tweeting the cdc and his administration are doing a great job of handling it. as for stocks, it is a better owning this morning after the global indexes tanked overnight. wall street is looking to recover from the start of the show, we went up to 340 points up on the dow after the dow's worst two-day stretch in four years. let me go to kelly cobiella and it's surged to more than 1,200 and also with us is dominic chu, senior markets reporter. tell us what you're hearing overseas as we look at the spread of the coronavirus in places like europe as well.
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>> well, there are really two aspects to how countries now are approaching this. there's the italy model where you have entire towns cut off, quarantined, contained. trying to test case by case, treat the people who have been infected. and then you have places like south korea, a large outbreak, the largest outbreak outside of china. they have not quarantined or towns or closed off daegu in the southeast where most of the victims in this particular outbreak are. instead, what they're doing is asking people to stay home. stay away from large gatherings. in daegu, in you have any symptoms they're testing people. they are testing a huge number of people as well. some 50,000 people have been tested for the virus already. so that kind of puts into perspective how many people have actually tested positive. and they're being very proactive in actually giving out advice in terms of, you know, what to stay
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away from, what not to do. in fact, the u.s. military today told soldiers that any nonessential travel off base was now not allowed. they're also not permitted to go to any gathering with more than 20 people. no bars no restaurants, no sporting events. and the other really interesting thing about south korea in particular is that this outbreak sort of started in a cluster in the southeast with this religious sect which is very secretive. there are suggestions that some of the people had been in china, that perhaps they carried the virus from there. but they didn't -- they didn't report it because they're so secretive. what's happening is the government is having to look at who are the members of these -- of this church. trying to test all of these members. some 200,000 people and basically you can expect the numbers to go up just because the testing so widespread.
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>> we just learned right before the show too that the first case is confirmed in brazil as well as this thing continues to spread. dom, can you talk about the market factor here? we have seen a couple of really tough days on the dow. the president himself as you know he watches the market and he is brushing off any concerns about that. where does this go from here? >> it probably explains why he put out larry kudlow yesterday to talk about the coronavirus and also talks about the notion here that he'll have this press conference at 6:00 p.m. eastern time tonight to allay fears about what's happening with the coronavirus. the markets right now have fallen in such a precipitous way over the last couple of days that it's not something that could be sustained. the reason i'm saying that the stocks don't move like this and they haven't in the past couple of years but there are corporations and individual companies stories that are playing out in there. remember, moderna has put out the first test vaccine for this. it submitted the sample to u.s. regulators for testing on later
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this year. companies like clorox, there's a renewed focus by some investors on things like bleach and disinfecting wipes and remember this, amazon has told its third party resellers and people on the platform that they cannot gouge for prices on things like masks and everything else. so again, a lot of story lines are coming together because of the coronavirus. >> a lot more on this network and on "nbc nightly news" and while the president talks about the press conference he means a media statement. we don't know what it will look like later on tonight. but i know you'll both be watching it closely. thanks to both of you for being on the show. we have a lot more coming up. will bernie sanders for example be a drag on down-ballot democrats? more on what the house speaker is saying about that as one of her democratic colleagues ro khanna joins us live next. first look at two girls who are changing the world.
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with the new reporting from inside the buttigieg campaign and ali vitali is on warren's second stop of the day. this does signal where buttigieg's focus is now and it's not fully and totally on south carolina. >> no. we should note that all of the candidates are in south carolina. this is a civil rights organization founded by reverend sharpton which is just wrapping up which all of the candidates except for michael bloomberg took part in. that included pete buttigieg who actually plans to be in the state until three days away from now. but this campaign recognizes the importance of the next seven days but at the same time the buttigieg memo is trying to calm the anxieties of anyone concerned about the future of this campaign. kind of lowering expectations out of south carolina but saying, hi, look, if we can keep
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as a campaign bernie sanders leading coming out of super tuesday on march 3 less than 330 delegates, pete buttigieg can pull of the nomination. not so much of the super tuesday states but then the states that follow on march 10th, march 17th. states line missouri, michigan, idaho. these are places where there are congressional delegates where the buttigieg cam plain believes it can make a strong play later on this spring. they need to be in the ball game come next tuesday. >> what about senator warren? she has lot of stops. we talked about john legend. what is her strategy for the next 72 hours or so? >> hallie, their strategy is yes, do well in south carolina. but they have always been looking ahead to super tuesday. the strategy on debate night for them has been to make elizabeth warren unignorable. if you remember go back to new
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hampshire. she had a forgettable performance, she had a middling performance there. and they wanted to remind people that the fighter is back, she's still got some fight left in her. they have an infrastructure build out across the country, a thousand staffers over 31 states. that's the strategy that the warren campaign continues to point to. the caveat in this is that they don't point to any one specific state as that is the place that we are definitely going to win. they want to manage expectations part of me understands that. the other part of me thinks that you're -- they're playing this delegate game. but it's going to be difficult for them to mount an argument that she should be the nominee if she has the delegates but has never won a state outright come convention time. in the immediate term there was something on the debate stage that really stuck out to me. the michael bloomberg attacks are the red meat for the base to try to get the fund raising dollars flowing in and the bernie sanders contrast though was really important.
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i use the word contrast purposefully because she can't broad side attack him. she had to make an argument that took him on and she's choosing to take him on efficiency. saying straight up last night she thinks that's best person to be president. one more thing i'll add as we head into super tuesday. her home state of massachusetts is a super tuesday state. she got the endorsement of "the boston globe" yesterday. it's notable because it's a paper that she has not always had the best relationship with and at one point they said she shouldn't be running in this race. quite notable she gets that one. >> yeah. landed a slam dunk. it's significant. road warriors, thank you. let me bring in ro khanna the national cochair for bernie sanders's campaign. thank you for being back on the show in this role. i appreciate you joining us. >> always good to be on. >> you had bernie sanders who was attacked more than any other candidate, and you're headed to the state that joe biden is favored to win. how concerned are you that that
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could blunt the senator's momentum? >> i'm not concerned. i'm going down there with the senator this weekend. we have tremendous momentum there. i think we'll exceed expectations. we're going to do better than in 2016 and then he'll do well in super tuesday and hallie, as you know, a lot of people have actually already voted in my state of california. so he had banked a lot of votes already. >> you have had this moment where the senator again basically doubled down on the praise for fidel castro or didn't back away from the comments he made. i want to play that month from last night. >> of course you have the dictatorship in cuba. what i said is what barack obama said in terms of cuba. that cuba made progress on education. yes, i think -- really? really? >> "miami herald" is reporting that a lot of florida voters are quote infuriated.
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how do comments like that not hurt the senator in key places where he needs to do well like florida? >> what the senator is saying is that castro was a dictator. he had mass shooting squads. he committed human rights abuses. but the point is what is the right strategy? a policy towards cuba. here we have a choice, we can have obama's policy sending an embassy there or trump's policy which has been overturning everything obama did. and senator sanders saying that the democrats should be for a continuation of obama's policy. >> but the way he's saying it seems to have rubbed some florida voters the wrong way, congressman. >> i think he can again emphasize that he absolutely believes that fidel castro is a dictator who had firing squads and has no sympathy at all for castro. i mean, he's not apologizing for castro. he never said we should look to castro as a model but what he's
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saying is that there was a failed policy of an embargo that didn't do anything to bring reform in cuba and obama had the courage to have a different path. by the way, obama's policy is very popular amongst a lot of young people in florida. young cuban-americans. young latin voters. they don't get to come on "meet the press" or on cable news but he has a lot of the young people who agree with a policy of engagement. >> what do you say to your colleagues in congress who as nbc has been reporting are in this quote/unquote panic mode over what a sanders nomination would do to the down-ballot people? >> he'll have a strong top of the ticket, speaker pelosi has said whoever the nominee is is going to be someone we can all get behind. then i would say, look, feel free to -- >> but i don't want to interrupt you but that's not backed up with what we have seen in the first three states. there's talk of the record turnout but that hasn't
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materialized yet. >> in the primary we haven't so far seen it but i think it's very different when you're looking at a race against trump thank you an intraparty race with so many candidates. but, yes, we have work to do. senator sanders would acknowledge that we need to continue to build that foundation but he has the foundational elements because of the youth and the enthusiasm to get the extraordinary turnout and then members of congress should be free to vote their districts and depart with senator sanders on a key issue if they disagree with him. >> i want to get to something i'm covering later on this afternoon, the president's briefing with the cdc and other members on the task force with this. what do you need to hear from president trump tonight about this issue? >> well, first i don't understand why the president always seems to be late to these issues. we saw the same thing when the crisis happened in syria, days later he's sending pompeo there and again he's late on this. but i want to hear a plan, a
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coming from the inside. specifically from intelligence officials themselves. we are talking about a piece from ken dilanian that they're worried that it's being distorted by both sides. "the new york times" who said that the house intel committee was briefed by the top official who said that russia was interfering in the 2020 campaign to try to get president trump re-elected but officials are uno telling our team that's a bit of an overstatement with some blaming democrats for misinterpreting what was said. it comes as the new acting director asked her to stay in her post. let me bring in the democratic congressman mike quigley of illinois. great to have you back on the show. thanks for being with us. >> thank you, good morning. >> good morning. i know you're limited on what you can say, but i would like to ask if you can pond to the claim that there was a misinterpretation here?
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>> here's what's clear. i was first briefed that the russians were attacking almost four years ago and the first state they hacked into was my own state of illinois. january 2017 we were briefed that -- by the unanimous intelligence community that the russians did this and they did it to help one candidate and hurt another. helping candidate trump. nothing -- nothing i have seen since then being briefed in that 3 1/2 year period has altered that course of what the russians are doing. and the president's own people have talked about those threats on his way out the door dni coats said the warning lights are still flashing red. nothing has changed under this administration other than the administration attacking his own intelligence community not pushing back on the russians efforts. >> is there some nuance that people might be missing here? there's always nuance when it comes to the intel assessments but something along the lines of
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perhaps active interference versus sort of passive watching or waiting or something along those lines? >> well, look, it's a three pronged attack that they did in 2016. and it's something that they're continuing to do. they weaponize social media, they hacked in -- they hacked into the state board of elections. the majority of the state they hack into it. the fact they account get into the voting machines shouldn't make anyone feel comfortable. so nuance or not, the threat is real. on a bipartisan basis, we shouldn't be dealing with that nuance. we should be addressing the threat. we're probably only about a quarter of the way of that funding. and look, we can inoculate ourselves against what the russias did but it's more on a bipartisan basis trying to deal with the polarization that
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exists in our country reminding us that there's more that unites us than divides us and not letting the russians do this. >> there's an issue of who will take over the dni permanently and some names that are in the mix for this. we have heard some discussion around including for example, john ratcliffe, pete hoekstra. your response to either of those men if they were to be named by the president as his pick for dni? >> i think you have to preface it with the fact that it's an revolving door. there was an excellent op-ed if good people like maguire and coats and gordon and mattis get shown the door because they disagree with the president, then we should be afraid. we rely on the truth how ever uncomfortable it is to keep us safe. that's the first concern. and the fact that the names you mentioned apparently personal loyalty is all that matters. not experience.
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it is a dangerous world. and intelligence and the intelligence community should not be a partisan matter. this should be about experience. someone shouldn't come in and get on the job training when we are facing the threats we face on the ongoing basis. >> congressman quigley, a lot to talk about. thank you for your time and going through it all with us. i'm sure we'll speak again soon. we take about the effect that the black voters will have in south carolina. what do they think of last night's debate? we'll find out live in just a minute. >> a lot of the elders are pulling more towards joe biden and more of the younger black voters are pulling towards sanders and warren. memory loss related to aging? prevagen is the number one pharmacist-recommended memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. when i needed to jumpstart sales.
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dad, i prefer ultra smooth, it handles sweat without all that...jazz. you're right son. i was particularly humbled to be aware that last night there was a discussion of racial justice among seven white candidates standing on a debate stage. >> sometimes i wake up and think it's 1920, not 2020. >> i will stand up for this community because something wrong has happened. it has to be repaired. >> those are a few of the democratic candidates this morning at a breakfast hosted by
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reverend al sharpton. we're joined from charleston, south carolina. i'm fascinated by what you found here and your conversations as the debate was going on. >> i went to last night's debate to get a better sense of where these candidates stood just days ahead of the primary and a few things became clear. one, this is a super engaged group of voters who care about the issues. the others are appreciated, accepted and wanted more talk from the candidates about issues that affect the black community, especially systemic and racial justice. >> there seems to be a divide between joe biden and bernie sanders and senator warren and the others. what do you make about the divide? >> i think it's an age thing.
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a lot of the elders are pulling more towards joe biden and a lot of the younger black voters are pulling towards sander and warren. >> y'all can talk about bernie, bloomberg or whoever else, you better think about who knows the united states better. >> reporter: there is this clear idea of a generational divide here with older folks going to who they know, which is joe biden, they want the status quo. younger voters say in 2016 donald trump threw out the play book and it time to shake things up. i talked to an organizers with black voters matter and they're trying to expand the electorate in the south and black community. she said older voters and younger voters want the same thing but younger voters want to talk about student loan debt forgiveness and they're trying to raise children while older
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time now to look at what our sources are saying. we're joined by the "new york times" washington correspondent charlie savage. you're reporting today about this nsa phone programs that analyzed logs of american domestic calls and texts. you write a national security system that analyzed the logs cost $100 million and only twice during the four-year period did the program generate unique information that the fbi did not already possess. >> that's right, hallie. this is a very important issue that is tangential to the poll tex that are royaling in
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washington regarding carter page. there's been repeated fights since the snowden leaks in twern to the nsa's access to every american's delaware phone logs, which dates back to a program that the bush administration put in right after 9/11. it raised issues about privacy rights, national security, the rule of law. the legal authority for the current version of this program dates back to 2015 and is about to expire. on the cusp of that, this newly declassified previously secret information shows how steep the cost has been and how minimal the benefits have been. $ 100 million in tax mayor money has been spent on this program over the last four years and only one real investigation coming out of that. that's the information that's being swept into this political maelstrom about what to do about surveillance, about these laws expiring and about the
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trump/russia/carter page embrog embroguelyio. >> what do we know, what are you hearing about what could happen today? >> there's three expiring regular provisions the fbi using when it's hunting for terrorists and spies that are going to expire on march 15th and this disputed program we were discussing is also going to expire on march 15th. the nsa is currently not using it. some reformers want to extend those other laws but turn after the authority for this one. the carter page trump russia stuff is making everything scrambled. >> charlie savage, thank you for your unique expertise in reporti reporting. >> thank you for watching this hour of msnbc live. we have a lot more with my
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colleague ayman mohyeldin in new york. >> hello, everyone. i'm ayman mohyeldin. the most influence democrat in the state makes it official, formally endorsing joe biden just an hour ago. did joe biden do enough to shore up his fire wall? one thing was very clear on that stage. the knives are out for bernie sanders. >> vladimir putin thinks that donald trump should be president of the united states and that's why russia is helping you get elected so you'll lose to him. >> bernie and i both want to see universal health care, but bernie's plan doesn't explain how to get there. >> bernie voted five

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